Relegation Battle
Join the fan discussion on TalkingPoints around all the latest coverage and reaction to West Ham's relegation battle.
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Who is most to BLAME for West Ham going down? 😠
Explain your choice in the comments... 💭
harvey.leonard171d ago
Clearly Sullivan. People will have short memories and look at this season's performances, coaching, etc. But it was a long time coming because of those right at the top.
jamesshearman23167d ago
Totally fair assessment. They say a fish stinks from the head...
jo.hadland171d ago
This is rather an unkind poll. But I guess David Sullivan is to blame for the disastrous decision to let David Moyes go. Look at how well Everton are doing. Some people seemed to think we should have been in the top five and Moyes lacked technique. How could we be top five on our budget?
jamesshearman23167d ago
I don't think Moyes has done that well with Everton. A lot of their fans want him gone too 🤷♂️
reubengane5171d ago
Sullivan and Brady and the Board
The fans ousted moyes and rightly so he had lost the dressing room and the fanbase! We were losing every week 6-1 5-0 4-1 4-0 ? The Everton fans I starting to see why we wanted rid of him now his honeymoon period is over!!!
callum_boyle173d ago
Yet they still finished higher than West Ham 🤷♂️
jamesshearman23172d ago
I think two things can be true. Moyes is better than Nuno/Potter but still not an inspiring Premier League manager anymore
So fellow fans, what's the worse thing if we get relegated? Whats all the fear about? Is it simply a loss in pride ? We may come straight up again stronger and better having had our confidence rebuilt by winning more games then losing against some good sides in the Championship. Its true that we might lose some of our class players....
ray.baxterct1951175d ago
Well Dave, the Championship is a tough league to win, it's full of unfortunate tactical chicanery. Young players get found out quickly by experienced ex Prem players and old campaigners. While the academy boys can play a big role, we would still need some of our better 1st team squad to remain. Plus sneaky management.
reubengane5171d ago
Ray it looks like Nuno's staying !!!
reubengane5175d ago
Ray, Big Sam rang me from the poolside to tell me that he's prepared to do the Manager's job next season, what do you think 🤔
chillout177d ago
If you think we have a well organised and resourceful board, a switched on manager who is able to strategise and be flexible, and a group of players who would die for the shirt, yes - I agree we would have nothing to worry about; unfortunately, we have none of the above. In short, we are more likely to do a Leicester than an Ipswich.
callum_boyle173d ago
As a Leicester fan myself, if you think it won’t happen, think again. I see dangerous similarities between the two clubs from the way they run, the disconnect between fans and board and a lack of fight from players. The statement yesterday was good but you need action, not empty words. Hope you don’t ‘do a Leicester’ but the 2026 version
I will be proably upsetting a lot , if not all other Hammer fans, but our troubles this year may well spring from our self defeating song that we sing at the top of our voices - The Bubbles Song! Why you might ask - what other club fan base would sing at the top of our voices - ....and just like our dreams that fade and die. Which other club would sing ?
lisajade-murray172d ago
I say it myself every week, someone needs to update the words and make them positive.
ray.baxterct1951171d ago
I used to sing the bubbles song with changed words, if I suggested them I would definitely be Moderated 🧌
ray.baxterct1951175d ago
I know it's traditional, but I think, as we have reached a crossroads in our history, we need a competition and a vote among fans for a more uplifting song.(my view)
reubengane5175d ago
We must keep "Bubbles' for more passion we could follow with " Don't cry for me Spudgentina " .
ray.baxterct1951175d ago
Dave, I've always thought the song is like a pre-suicide note to be found by the side a slashed wrist on a corpse.
Its my 70th birthday on Saturday, and so when asked what do you want most for your birthday- you can all guess right ? a win for Hammers and a win for Chelsea . Is that too mush to ask for supporting Hammers through all those years ? Born 8 miles from Upton Park. That's when we were a team and the team could touch us as we cheered them on. Memories!
ray.baxterct1951169d ago
I hope you had a good birthday despite the garbage
jamesshearman23177d ago
Happy birthday! Fingers crossed for those results 🤞 How come you want Chelsea to win?
davesims177d ago
Yes with out a doubt . Why would any club not want to keep their most successful Manager that we have had in many a year? I understand that he wanted more of say in the running of the club. Would not any Manager want the same?
It's all down to the owners the players not being good enough some are amateur at best the managers that have come in including nuno have been awful... We have to hope moyes saves us again and our disgraceful players turn up.. Coyi ⚒️ ⚒️ ⚒️
davesims177d ago
Harsh on our players but I agree that they are mainly second half team only.
jamesshearman23177d ago
Would you have kept Moyes if it were up to you?
chillout177d ago
No - despite winning that European trophy that you could get with 3 packs of Frosties.
chillout177d ago
First and foremost our team to play Leeds must get all the negativity out of our heads...Spurs loss to Chelsea has given us a lifeline...the players ,manager must put 100% in also the Fans must give the team their full verbal backing
jonathan.gorrie177d ago
Agreed. We need to forget Newcastle and really step up at home. Reckon we will?
Going to sleep through Sunday
chillout177d ago
jonathan.gorrie177d ago
Best way to cope with it all, to be fair!
I'm was having a quiet drink in my local and now surrounded by Arsenal fans harping on plus some others that come out of the woodwork, I've just screamed "Up the Hammers" and quietness has occurred.
ray.baxterct1951177d ago
I knew I could rely on you Reuben.
reubengane5177d ago
Thanks Ray, I'm holding on to the Declan Rice thing to use at a later stage plus the Wilson "goal" incident
jonathan.gorrie177d ago
Haha! They should have bought you a drink to says thanks for Declan Rice!
reubengane5177d ago
They were too stunned then changed the subject all giving their backing to Nigel Farage and Reform then down to the restaurant area for a meal celebrating Arsenal's Premier League's success.
Westham or spurs Been a hammer all my life 68 years to be honest neither deserve to stay up horrible owners substandard managers come on moyesy help our club we need you please
blackcatguard-shop178d ago
me also over 60 years a supporter, never seen such a shambles. To think we now need Moyes to sort it for us is a knife to the heart
reubengane5177d ago
I'm and old timer and would say that David Moyes is the best Manager West Ham have had since John Lyall and if Sullivan and Brady had kept him on we wouldn't be in the mess that we are now in.
ray.baxterct1951177d ago
I confess I've not been on board all my life, I started supporting after I spent sometime in the company of 'Jack The Lad' Alan Devonshire.He wasn't driving at the time so my mate was driving him about.I was in town visiting for weekends, I tagged along and got hooked on the atmosphere. Upton Park was the best stadium. I loved it.
chillout178d ago
Agree - but rather Spuds than us.
ray.baxterct1951177d ago
love the picture of Gallagher
We NEED David Moyes' help again! 🙏 Tell us your prediction for Tottenham vs Everton...
Everton's impressive away record gives us hope! 🤞
ray.baxterct1951175d ago
I've just watched D M's Everton press conference. I was encouraged by his relaxed pragmatic manner, stating that they need to WIN the Tottenham game, to finish as high in the table as possible, for extra millions. Also he wants West Ham to stay up.The game against SUFC didn't have 1-3 in it.
freddie175d ago
He's gonna do the team a massive favour! All on the boys now
ray.baxterct1951177d ago
8/1 not bad odds.It's a case of hoping the favourite falls or better still refuses to jump at the first fence.
jamesshearman23177d ago
West Ham will come from behind like Desert Orchid at the Gold Cup
razorwestham177d ago
Nuno has cost us dear this season like potter and loppy did too. Need areola back asp for the useless herman no arms no legs and wilson taty up front no toddy and no soucek . Get a strong player alongside fernandes to help him and thats not soucek. Kante please.
jamesshearman23177d ago
Very big game to throw Kante in!
WE'RE STILL ALIVE 😍😍 How has Tottenham's defeat made YOU feel about our survival chances?!
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! 😂
reubengane5172d ago
It's gonna make a change but we can aclimatid
tomlynsmith177d ago
Unfortunately Leeds are on a hot streak - while Everton are not. I’m over being angry at West Ham’s dismal season. It is what it is - but I’m clinging on to the hope that David Moyes could still do us a last favour.
freddie176d ago
Leeds have nothing to play for tho so big chance! Everton can also frustrate anyone while Spurs are awful at home... there's a chance here...
ray.baxterct1951177d ago
It's like Strip Poker- we're down to our underpants.
ray.baxterct1951177d ago
Chillout or Jonathan ?
Well, well, well - Spuds feeling the pressure too
chillout179d ago
So West Ham still in with a chance - forgive me, but I have my doubts we can take this
jonathan.gorrie179d ago
Believe, chillout! The TalkingPoints community will be a VERY good place to be on Sunday afternoon
We just need to beat newcastle as leeds showed they were way better than spurs. And chelsea shouldnt fear spurs or everton both capable of beating them .
bsmatthews28182d ago
I dont see Spurs getting another point they were lucky against Wolves Lucky to be playing Villa`s 3rd team who themselves were on the beach, and when Leeds did decide to play they were far better than Spurs Chelsea & Everton are far better than Leeds .
jamesshearman23178d ago
You're halfway there!
Oh wow 👀 How has Tottenham's draw with Leeds made YOU feel about the relegation battle?!
This weirdly feels like a boost?
dale.odonnell183d ago
Anything could happen - but West Ham need a win over Newcastle.
reubengane5185d ago
Spurs keeper was the reason they got the draw his very late save was like watching Gordon Banks 😭
jim.bradley49185d ago
thats football Mateus.... not like the USELESS VAR DEBARKLE !
How do you FEEL about West Ham wanting to keep Nuno next season? 😳
terrynorwood24946168d ago
A 3 year contract ? National league here we come !!
paulmanders13173d ago
Coyi, personally I want him to stay
kwaylen173d ago
Nuno needs to go he made so many bad tactical errors on numerous occasions! It would be good if we could keep our core players like Bowen fernandes castellanos Wilson and Summerville! But the rest need to be shipped out asap! Kante scarles and wan bissaka and Walker-peters and hermansen should stay. If we sell diouf and Mavropanos and todibo etc And rebuild
Our team still isn’t good enough our performances away at Villa and brentford when we needed a result were poor! We had lost too many games prior to bad defensive errors that’s why our goal difference is a big handicap! We need to be honest and our full backs aren’t solid enough defensively apart from walker peters ! I would play todibo and peters v Arsenal
daniel.owen193d ago
To be fair, if we go to a three at the back, we could play Diouf at left-wing-back and he probably wouldn't be as exposed. I've been wondering if Traore could do a job as a right-wing-back with his pace
jonathan.gorrie194d ago
Yeah, Saturday was a reminder that Diouf's not fully there yet. Agreed on KWP!
What a sorry old mess 😪 How have we let it slip AGAIN?!
leeclarke0508193d ago
Seen this movie before with Nuno. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Bottled CL with Forest last season and this season he's going to mess up survival when Spurs should have been dead and buried weeks ago. Zero goals at Brentford and Palace will cost WHU.
dantowen81951193d ago
It’s maddening how often we’ve gone ahead, sat on a narrow lead and chucked it away! I don’t mind it happening once or twice but it’s been so often the same story
chillout194d ago
The whole season has been a sorry old mess. Much of Sullivan’s tenure has, in fact. Maybe he will throw the cards in if we are relegated - but not sure who would want to buy London’s 7th rated football team ! I’d love Red Bull to buy us - but I doubt it!!
callum_boyle192d ago
Red Bull won’t touch West Ham given their links to Leeds. Even then, I wouldn’t trade the soul of the club by putting it in the hands of an energy drink company
daniel.owen193d ago
I do like that Red Bull have done with Leeds! I think they knew they'd be on a hiding to nothing changing Elland Road to the Red Bull Arena or changing the kit. They at least seem to understand what English fans will and won't accept
bw490410194d ago
The rot started way back in the season, keeping Potter for to long plus Nuno throwing away games from a winning position, lack of investment in the team by Sullivan, but dispiteall of that it is still possible to avoid relegation. COYI
moharris1958192d ago
I hope so
jonathan.gorrie194d ago
COYI indeed. All hope isn't lost yet
What would you say has been the biggest TURNING POINT in our season?
Our fate is now in our own hands...
gingergonk195d ago
When Bowen had his head turned. He’s off soon, along with most of the team, and we all know it. Just a shame our owners royally screwed it with their lack of ambition and awful financial management. Oh, let’s not forget the bowl. It’s been disaster after disaster with a few good years of luck.
jamesshearman23193d ago
Where do you reckon Bowen will go? I wonder whether Chelsea might want him as they are apparently going to sign more experienced players 🤷♂️
chillout196d ago
Losing to Brentford !
razorwestham197d ago
100per cent getting in paco jemez
Am I onto something or should we have blind trust in Nuno? 🤔
His subs scare the life out of me sometimes!
jamesshearman23201d ago
If Nuno had been at West Ham all season, they would be in Leeds’ position - safe from relegation. He’s not the problem at all!
chillout201d ago
But Fergie won loads of trophies doing just that !
jonathan.gorrie201d ago
I don't want to be negative for the sake of it but I fear we can't rely on last minute winners forever. Inviting the pressure onto us is such a risk
daniel.owen200d ago
Yeah that's been a problem for a long time. We've still lost the second-highest number of points from winning positions. But I think give him the summer, let him perfect his gameplan and see if he can solve that issue
How will the Premier League table look when it's all said and done? 🤔
West Ham are in a precarious position with 4 games to go! 😬
daniel.owen200d ago
I actually think we'll get to 40 points. It feels like a long time since the three teams near the bottom had some many points at this stage! We are used to sides going down with 25
chillout196d ago
I don’t think 40 will ve enough
swhitecrossuk8201d ago
if newcastle dont pick up another point they are right in it
jamesshearman23200d ago
Spurs would need 8 points from 4 games to trouble Newcastle - surely that’s too many?
jonathan.gorrie201d ago
A win at St James' does feel VERY likely at this stage...
leeclarke0508202d ago
I think maybe this is a bit harsh on Forest. Our recent good wins have all come after European games. Chelsea have been a basket case, Newcastle haven't won for ages, United have practically secured European football and Bournemouth might have little to play for by the final day. Still, hope we keep getting written off. My gut says Tottenham might still go.
chillout196d ago
Forest and Leeds players have delivered when it mattered - and Forest are doing the same in Europe. In the end, that is why they will both stay up.
jamesshearman23202d ago
Forest will be fine - beat Newcastle at home and you're safe
jonathan.gorrie202d ago
Fair enough! I wasn't really trying to downplay Forest, just think that they don't need to go quite as hell for leather in the PL as much as West Ham given Europe
PABLO a £23 million treadmill ⚒️🫧⚒️🫧⚒️🫧⚒️
dantowen81951193d ago
I don’t want to write him off but I’ve seen genuinely so little quality from him. Just doesn’t look cut out for anywhere near this level
If we relegated the SPUDS by staying above them then it would be better than winning the Europa Conference cup ⚒️🫧⚒️🫧⚒️
chillout201d ago
Maybe the Milk Cup of Europe, not sure about Europa.
somerscom202d ago
Can’t disagree with that mate COYI
ray.baxterct1951204d ago
I like the thought and agree, it's a good analogy I hadn't considered.
Don't want to be a doom and gloom supporter but had we beaten palace then I think spurs would be certain to go down but now with remaining fixtures that we have and the SPUDS have then I reckon we are doomed ⚒️🫧⚒️🫧⚒️
ray.baxterct1951204d ago
The fat lady has still got a few verses to sing yet, keep the faith.
markpainter54201d ago
You leave my missus out if this 🤪
markpainter54201d ago
⚒️🫧⚒️👍
Out of 10, how confident are you that West Ham will stay up? ⬆️
Nuno is feeling good! 🤩
chillout201d ago
6
moharris1958202d ago
On yesterdays performance and late winning goal I'd say 8
wendy.a.james203d ago
I am concerned that Spurs will manage to grab a point or two, while we throw away a point or two then it’s all change at the bottom. 🤞🤞🤞 I’m wrong
markpainter54201d ago
The SPUDS have lost key players in romero,simons,solanke so i dont think they will beat villa & chelsea so i think one more win and we will stay up 🙏
Jamie Carragher says West Ham need 40 points! Do you agree? 🤔
markpainter54204d ago
No i think 39
fan206d ago
jamesshearman23206d ago
I think Rosenior will be gone soon. Let's hope they get an interim manager in ASAP and batter Spurs like they normally do
jamesshearman23207d ago
I can't see Spurs picking up more than 7 points so 39 should be enough
Would want Spurs relegated and Arsenal WIN the they are London club like us and I cannot understand Londoner's supporting Northern clubs.
ray.baxterct1951208d ago
Hi Reuben,my son supports Arsenal and his father-in-law loves Spurs.I'm hoping Spurs keep wobbling and Arsenal get to the line before City- BUT not at our expense.The way the Gunners are playing we can beat them.So be it.
reubengane5208d ago
Yep I'm with you there mate, I don't want anything standing in our way to avoid relegation but good luck to Arsenal and hopefully we'll win our way to safety.
randsholcombe208d ago
We actually need the points
reubengane5208d ago
That's what I'm implying! Points, points and even more points, we mustn't rely on Spurs losing their games.
freddie210d ago
Because Arsenal are UNBEARABLE
markpainter54204d ago
Spot on freddie
reubengane5210d ago
We got one of our best ever signings from Arsenal - Ron Greenwood - probably our best ever Manager, and Chippie Brady via Italy, was a gem of a player, still prefer us Cockneys to the Man's, I'm sure that you would agree with me there Freddie.
How many points are we getting then? 😬
Feel free to tell me where I'm going wrong 😂
ray.baxterct1951205d ago
At best 11, realistically 5 or 6,it depends on which opponents turn up on the day to give a fair fight for the bottom 3.Spurs playing Wolves and wobbly Chelsea worry me.
richardmills19300206d ago
If we had got three at palace we were up now not sure 🤔
paulritson0207d ago
5 maybe 6 hopefully more.
cpaynter77132d ago
Constantly changing manager every 18 months or so destablises a club add to that buying players to help the team that you eventually loan is like a hit and miss mentality. Now we are paying the price for poor judgement
jamesshearman23172d ago
It has been coming for a while. Keep making poor decisions and eventually it will catch up with you
reubengane5171d ago
Apparently Nuno is staying!!!!